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Last month, for the first time in more than fifty years, four astronauts flew to the moon and back. Their mission, Artemis II, was a test run for future endeavors, including the construction of a NASA<\/em> base on the lunar surface. Reid Wiseman, a former U.S. Naval aviator who served as the mission\u2019s commander, told me that the journey made him think about the Apollo astronauts of the nineteen-sixties. \u201cI wonder if they were a little bit scared, because I\u2019m a little bit scared,\u201d he remembered thinking. \u201cI bet they were.\u201d NASA<\/em>\u2019s most powerful rocket hurled them more than a quarter-million miles into space\u2014farther than anyone has travelled from Earth\u2014and Earth\u2019s gravity brought them home.<\/p>\n

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Wiseman and I met at the Johnson Space Center, in Houston, Texas. At fifty years old, he was fit and disarmingly earnest, wearing a blue astronaut jumpsuit over a pair of leather cowboy boots. He earned his NASA<\/em> astronaut wings in 2011, before completing a six-month mission on the International Space Station. In 2020, his wife, Carroll, a nurse, died of cancer. He spent two years as the nation\u2019s chief astronaut, an earthbound role that allowed him to raise two teen-age daughters. Then, in 2023, NASA<\/em> chose him to command Artemis II. He would work alongside a pilot, Victor Glover, and two mission specialists, Christina Koch and the Canadian Space Agency astronaut Jeremy Hansen.<\/p>\n

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Wiseman, his fellow crew members, and their NASA<\/em> colleagues essentially had to write their own how-to manual for twenty-first-century lunar missions. But they sometimes wondered if they would ever have a chance to use it. In the nineteen-nineties and the two-thousands, NASA<\/em>\u2019s plans to return to the moon were cancelled owing to anemic budgets. \u201cWe weren\u2019t a hundred-per-cent sure if the nation was going to remain committed,\u201d he told me. \u201cWe spent a lot of time in Washington, D.C.\u201d I asked him when he realized that the mission was a go. \u201cWhen the solid-rocket motors lit,\u201d he told me. \u201cThat was when we knew we were going to the moon.\u201d Our conversation has been edited for length and clarity.<\/p>\n

Tell me about the moment you were selected for Artemis II. It sounds like it was as much a sobering moment as it was a joyful one.<\/strong><\/p>\n

It was also an embarrassing moment. My crew and I didn\u2019t know that\u2019s what was coming. We had all these meetings on our calendar. I just completely ignored this meeting with the chief astronaut because I thought it was about something totally different. I was downtown at a medical appointment. My boss at the time sends me a text: \u201cHey, I really think you should be in this meeting right now. We\u2019re twenty minutes into it, and we miss you.\u201d I tied in through Microsoft Teams. I just saw my bosses sitting there. I saw Victor and Christina sitting there. It turned out that they were both late as well.<\/p>\n

You don\u2019t feel like you won the Lotto. You don\u2019t feel like jumping for joy. You just feel, like, Whoa, this is going to be a lot of work. This is going to be a very intense situation.<\/p>\n

What did your selection mean for you as a single father? How did your daughters receive the news?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Before the formal announcement came out, we had about two weeks where we knew. I had talked to my kids about what I would be willing to do as an astronaut. I would only go back to the space station when they were in college. And if there was an opportunity to do an Artemis mission\u2014we call them short durations, although it certainly didn\u2019t feel like a short duration\u2014I would be interested.<\/p>\n

No kid wants their only parent to go do that. I felt a bit selfish. I also felt like this was a crew, and a mission, that would really be rewarding in the end. I talked to my kids about it: \u201cThis is something I would like to do, and I know it is going to be difficult for you.\u201d The next day, my older daughter made moon cupcakes, and my younger daughter was all on board. She kept checking FamousBirthdays.com. She\u2019s, like, \u201cDad, you went from No. 80,000 to No. 50,000 on Famous Birthdays.\u201d She was happy with that. [Wiseman has now surpassed No. 6,500 on Famous Birthdays.]<\/p>\n

Later, on the seventh day of the mission, I did a video chat with both of them. That was the day where I could tell, in the way they were looking at me and talking to me, that they understood why I\u2019d said yes three years earlier. They understood the weight of this mission.<\/p>\n

Help me understand how you fit training into the rest of your life. Is it, like, twelve hours of emergency scenarios\u2014and then you\u2019re helping your kids with their math homework?<\/strong><\/p>\n

That sounds about right. About a year prior to launch\u2014April of 2025\u2014we started to quiet down our lives. We stopped a lot of the public appearances. Even if friends were going and doing something, with very small exceptions, I started saying no. At the Johnson Space Center, we were working about eight hours a day. It was a fairly respectful schedule. We usually had Saturday and Sunday off, although as we geared up toward the mission, we were generally working voluntarily on Sundays. One daughter is in college, one daughter is in high school. I was very open with them: If you need help, it\u2019s going to have to come from tutors, teachers, friends. It\u2019s just not going to come from home.<\/p>\n

In some ways, they are so much further along now than they would have been if I were there, nurturing them through this. A little of that makes me feel guilty that I wasn\u2019t there. I could not have done this if they were six and eight. For many years, I didn\u2019t fly in space because I was an only parent. It just was not an option for me. I think, in the end, they gave a lot of themselves to this mission. I\u2019m very proud of them for doing that.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Your first mission, in 2014, took you to the International Space Station for almost six months. How does that compare with Artemis?<\/strong><\/p>\n

It was totally different. The International Space Station has been up there now for twenty-six years. We know how to fly to the space station. The training is very regimented. There was a lot of novel science, but there was very little novel learning on how to operate that machine. On Artemis II, everything was new. We didn\u2019t know how to live and work. We didn\u2019t know how to operate as four people. Sometimes, it was the crew unravelling those mysteries, going, \u201cHey, that worked when we had six months in space, but that isn\u2019t going to work when we have ten days.\u201d We had to unlearn some things.<\/p>\n

When you\u2019re flying to the moon, is there space for your mind to drift?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I remember my mind drifting for the first time on the eighth day of flight. We were getting close to home, and I started thinking about seeing my kids. I immediately had to stop that and say, \u201cNope, you do not have space for that in your brain.\u201d The first five days\u2014I wish Victor, Christina, and Jeremy were sitting right here, they would all agree\u2014we were waking up and working until bed. And we were usually getting to bed about an hour later than we had hoped.<\/p>\n

When you\u2019re in that tiny spacecraft with four people, you\u2019re all over each other. I feel like I\u2019m close to you right now, but three weeks ago, I would have asked why we\u2019re so far away. Everything that is easy becomes hard. Just making lunch: How do four people all make their food? If one person is exercising, nothing else can happen in the cabin. All that stuff was taking far, far longer than we had anticipated. We got much better as we went.<\/p>\n

You mentioned putting Earth aside and focussing on the mission, but what does that mean when you\u2019re on such a novel and extraordinary voyage?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Daydreaming is important. It\u2019s important to be bored as a human. But, sometimes, you\u2019ve got to remain caged. Instead of thinking about being home, hugging my kids, it would have been a lot better for me to think about, What\u2019s breakfast tomorrow? Or: What are my crewmates doing and how can I help them? Maintaining an appropriate level of engagement with the spacecraft, with the control team, and with your crewmates. You never know what that spacecraft is going to throw at you.<\/p>\n

We had a full-on fire emergency on our next-to-last day in space. It was a false alarm, but that stopped everything: all the electrical power, all the ventilation. We were just sitting there with an emergency tone going off with a completely stagnant spacecraft\u2014no airflow, and it was heating up. You\u2019re human, so there are moments of terror. We had quite a few orbital-trajectory-correction burns. Before each of them, save two, we had some sort of alarm go off, and I could feel my heart rate elevating. I could feel my adrenaline picking up. As long as you understand these emotions, I think they help you perform. Those bring you up to your A game. You see it in professional athletes.<\/p>\n

What we do in the astronaut office is, I would almost say, scaring ourselves. We fly airplanes, we fly helicopters, we mountain-climb, we dive to the bottom of the ocean, we live underwater. All those things just get you much more comfortable being uncomfortable. When we had that fire emergency\u2014which is the only emergency we ever had\u2014everybody went straight to their jobs. We started knocking out all the procedures to make sure the vehicle was safe, and we were safe. It\u2019s pretty cool to see that. Nobody was distracted. Everybody did exactly what we had trained to do.<\/p>\n

Meanwhile, back on Earth, we all noticed how close and comfortable the crew seemed. What surprised you about the team?<\/strong><\/p>\n

We were not always friends. We were not always aligned. But those differences actually helped us out. We have a team of operational psychologists here at the Johnson Space Center. They\u2019re usually just there if we need them, but we flipped that paradigm on its head. Almost every other week, we would have a four-hour session with them. They would go through team-building exercises. What is going on in your own brain? Where are you? How are you showing up for your crew? Those were some of the most difficult conversations I\u2019ve had. Usually, I\u2019d have to leave and go for a walk because they\u2019re so exhausting. But, by the end, we knew each other. We knew what made us happy, we knew what made us upset, and we could show up for each other.<\/p>\n

We hired a poet to teach us poetry. We hired spiritual and cultural leaders to talk about the significance of the moon around the world. We wanted to know how everyone sees the moon. We all look up at that moon every single night, so what does it mean? What does it mean to somebody who\u2019s in Ghana, or Spain, or Australia? We wanted to feel those things when we were out there. It\u2019s the thing I\u2019m most proud of in this group\u2014we did a tremendous amount of investment in each other.<\/p>\n

Tell me about the view.<\/strong><\/p>\n

For a lot of our mission, it was greasy smudges, because our foreheads and hands were all over those windows at all times. In one of my favorite moments, we were waking up to do lunar flyby, and I called down to Mission Control and said, \u201cHow do I clean grease off the windows?\u2019\u2019 It made me so happy, because it meant that we were using them.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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One thing that really did surprise me was how quickly Earth gets small out the window. From about the second day on, we dubbed it Tiny Earth, and it was getting smaller every day. When we were out by the moon, the Earth was, like, the size of a quarter\u2014a tiny, super-bright crescent of an Earth.<\/p>\n

The moon is gravitationally locked with planet Earth. For as long as humans have existed, we have only seen one side. But, very early in the mission, we could start to see craters on the far side. The first time we put a zoom lens on the moon, we were able to see features we had trained for. Orientale. Ohm crater. We start to see them in these images and we\u2019re, like, \u201cOh my gosh, we are seeing the far side of the moon and we\u2019re still two days away.\u201d The day we did lunar flyby, we woke up twenty thousand miles from the moon. I took off the window shade and I was frozen. I mean, frozen\u2014to the point where Christina finally was, like, \u201cHey, you going to finish your checklist for the morning activities?\u201d I could not peel myself away. There\u2019s this whole moon, it\u2019s sitting out there, and it looks different than the moon on Earth. I highly recommend it.<\/p>\n

When the capsule passed behind the moon, it lost contact with Earth for about forty minutes. Can you describe that?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I really want it to be this grandiose stretch of time, but I will be completely honest. We were right back into the science, and we were doing exactly what we had trained for. We watched \u201cEarthset.\u201d I was able to stick my iPhone up into this docking-hatch window and take a video of Earth setting behind the moon. Jeremy had a bunch of maple cookies. I was free-floating. I cut the bags of cookies open and all four of us just stopped for a second.<\/p>\n

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Then Victor and Christina had a bunch of observations to do, because we\u2019re seeing parts of the moon that have never been seen by human eyes. They were not seen in Apollo due to lighting. They\u2019ve been seen by satellite, but never by humans. That was the most intense scientific part of that journey for us. We were totally out of touch with Earth.<\/p>\n

I just wanted to see the distance to Earth get smaller. It kept growing, past where the flight-dynamics officers had said our maximum distance from Earth would be. We went two miles farther than that. I was just thinking, We\u2019re a pretty small spacecraft. I wonder if two miles is going to be significant or not? Maybe we missed it by a little bit, and we\u2019re going to be stuck out here for a while.<\/p>\n

Then I saw that number just tick back down. 219,669 was the max, in nautical miles. Then I saw 219,668. I told the crew, \u201cWe\u2019re on our way home.\u201d They cheered a little bit.<\/p>\n

Then you get Earthrise. First, you just saw these two little points coming up from behind the moon. That was Earth\u2019s atmosphere. Then you could see the crescent Earth start to come. You could see these mountains of the moon with the Earth behind it. It was truly magnificent, because there is no atmosphere on the moon, so it\u2019s crystal clear.<\/p>\n

Then the Earth was back. We looked down at our displays, and we could see the Canberra radio site, so we knew we had a view of Australia. We called down to Mission Control, and we were back in contact. That\u2019s just a great feeling. We got ready for the solar eclipse, and that blew us all away.<\/p>\n

Few people have ever experienced such existential isolation. That must surely give one pause.<\/strong><\/p>\n

I really like the way Jeremy Hansen says it. In that moment, you\u2019re in the middle of the universe. You can feel the stars around you. It\u2019s very three-dimensional. The moon is three-dimensional. He basically said, \u201cI felt unbelievably small, to the point of infinitesimally small. Yet, at the same time, it was the deepest sense of power that I had on the whole mission. It wasn\u2019t individual power. It was power that this whole planet of people had the courage to send us out there.\u201d I can\u2019t say it any better myself.<\/p>\n

How has your experience changed your perceptions of the Apollo astronauts and what they did?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I really felt disbelief that Apollo 8 had the courage to leave low-Earth orbit for the first time. They went all the way to the moon in that Apollo spacecraft. I just thought about them. I\u2019m, like, I wonder if they were a little bit scared, because I\u2019m a little bit scared. I bet they were a little bit scared. They\u2019d never admit it. I won\u2019t admit it\u2014although I just did\u2014but I bet they were a little bit scared. That was a crazy thing that they did.<\/p>\n

During Artemis II, you made history by having problems with Microsoft Outlook farther from Earth than any human being before. How do you handle that kind of legacy?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Product placement was very important for us in this mission. (I\u2019m totally joking.) I actually found out I had three Microsoft Outlooks, and one of them was working. But the two that were linked on the desktop, which was what I was supposed to open, from our training\u2014neither one of those worked. I really didn\u2019t want to become a meme on this mission. But if that is the thing that made people laugh, then we were highly successful.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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What does it mean to be an astronaut today?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Wow. The whole world is with you, and watching you, and they want to go do great things. If we are going to go to the moon, and we\u2019re going to go on to Mars, we aren\u2019t going to do that as the United States of America. We are going to do that as planet Earth. You need everyone with you.<\/p>\n

Was there a moment after returning home when it hit you\u2014the immensity of what you and the Artemis crew had done?<\/strong><\/p>\n

We are going to work on that for a long time. Let me just explain a few honest things. When we come back, we are busy. There\u2019s a lot of science. There\u2019s a lot of reconditioning. After about ten days home, I told NASA<\/em>, \u201cI need tomorrow off. I\u2019m not working on Friday.\u201d I went down to Galveston Beach. I sat on the beach for about four hours. I intentionally took no phone. I took nothing with me\u2014just a chair and an umbrella. I just sat there. I was allowing myself something I very rarely do: to be proud for a minute. To sit back and go, \u201cMan, we just did this.\u201d<\/p>\n

Sometimes it is hard to allow yourself to do that because\u00a0.\u00a0.\u00a0. I don\u2019t know. I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s cultural, or if it\u2019s because you work at NASA<\/em>. You don\u2019t ever want to take ownership. But we need to. We need to be proud of what we just accomplished, because it was a really special thing.<\/p>\n

The Earth you left, and the Earth you found when you got back, are two very different places. Your face is on magazines now. People think about your life and what you\u2019ve done as a way to make sense of their own lives. How do you integrate your old self with this new reality?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sometimes you yearn for the old self. My crew, we\u2019ve done this together, for sure. Myself, Victor, Christina, and Jeremy. I was talking to Victor at the airport on Friday, leaving Montreal. We ended up talking for about three hours. We cried a couple of times\u2014not out of sadness, out of joy. We had the hair on our arms standing up as we were talking.<\/p>\n

I told him, \u201cI think we slipped through the hands of God during that mission.\u201d That just stopped him in his tracks. He completely agreed. There\u2019s just ways that we see the world right now that are totally different. It is hard to come back and have all the attention. We want to share everything. Everybody wants to hear about this journey. That is exhausting. It takes a lot of commitment to continue to get out there and talk, when sometimes all you want to do is sit on your couch and decompress. People just want to see you, they want to hear you, they want to communicate with you. They want to give you a gift. I was woefully unprepared for that.<\/p>\n

I was just listening to the birds this morning. I walked into work, and there was humidity everywhere down the hallway because the air-conditioner hadn\u2019t turned on, and I was, like, \u201cThis is amazing. Look at all this humidity. I love all this.\u201d There\u2019s a richness to being back to planet Earth.<\/p>\n

How do you recalibrate your professional drive after doing something so epic?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I love that question. I do what I\u2019ve been doing for the last decade. My brother\u2019s a great mentor. I really want to talk to him about this. I read books. I just finished \u201cWhat to Make of a Life\u201d [by Jim Collins]. It just came out. About two-thirds of the way through that book, he was talking about how you maintain the fire after you\u2019ve done something incredible.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m as motivated as I have been in probably twenty years. It\u2019s incredible just how excited I am to get to start writing the next chapter after coming back from the moon. I did not expect that. I expected to come back and be very comfortable being bored, being patient. But I really feel energized.<\/p>\n

Do you spend the rest of your life trying to go back? Do you retire and become a painter?<\/strong><\/p>\n

This is a fundamental question. It\u2019s hard to understand what is enough. I don\u2019t need any more things in my life. I really value my family. I want to commit to them in ways that I haven\u2019t been able to commit to them before. Then, if I can help us get back to the moon\u00a0.\u00a0.\u00a0. I don\u2019t need to go back. But I would love to.<\/p>\n

I\u2019ve talked to my crew about this, too, and I think they agree. I will find more joy in watching new astronauts go experience what we just experienced than I would going back again, and taking that from someone else. I think that wouldn\u2019t feel good to me. It will feel great to watch my friends go do these sorts of things. To watch humanity expand a little bit.<\/p>\n

A crater seen during the mission has been named after your late wife, Carroll. How did your family respond to that?<\/strong><\/p>\n

My kids did not know that was coming. Even I didn\u2019t know that was coming until two days before liftoff. Christina Koch had the idea. She talked to the science team. They found a few eligible craters and we looked through them as a crew. Then, on the second or third day of the mission, we could look out and see that crater. It was so bright. It\u2019s on the near side\u2013far side boundary. We just thought that was exactly the right thing to do.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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My two kids had come into Mission Control earlier that morning. I didn\u2019t even know they were coming in. I\u2019d asked the flight-control team, \u201cHey, if my kids show up, let me know. And if my kids don\u2019t show up, just lie to me and tell me they\u2019re there.\u201d They had come into the Mission Control viewing room when we broke the distance record from Apollo 13. That was a moment that didn\u2019t mean that much to me. We were just flying our mission\u2014it was just a number passing. But it meant a lot to them. They came in to watch their dad do something. Now it\u2019s going to mean something to me.<\/p>\n

Jeremy Hansen was giving a little talk about us breaking the Apollo 13 distance record. I just looked over at him, like, \u201cI think now is the right time. We can see Carroll Crater right out the window.\u201d Jeremy just went right into that speech. My goodness. All four of us were in tears and hugging it out. That was the moment that I think our crew was forever bonded.\u00a0\u2666<\/p>\n

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